I am going to respond to Tablaman and Hook off line and get this stuff straightened out.
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I am going to respond to Tablaman and Hook off line and get this stuff straightened out.
-j
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Forgive me, my intent was not to offend. I was using a stereo type in my example because it seemed to me that there was this generalization that the Pearl corporation were a bunch of Klan members or something.Quote:
I, for one, take offense to that. Please correct me if I misunderstand that statement.
My point was that, Pearl is a Japanese company, to paint them as racist is illogical. He was talking as if everyone who worked for Pearl was a white guy except the guy who got canned.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Forgive me, my intent was not to offend. I was using a stereo type in my example because it seemed to me that there was this generalization that the Pearl corporation were a bunch of Klan members or something.Quote:
I, for one, take offense to that. Please correct me if I misunderstand that statement.
My point was that, Pearl is a Japanese company, to paint them as racist is illogical. He was talking as if everyone who worked for Pearl was a white guy except the guy who got canned.
Okay,
Here goes...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Okay wise guy, where is this campaign? I posted what my friend George (a former UK employee of Pearl) had told me happened to him on this board. It's been backed up by several other friends including Steve White (a former Pearl player). Hardly a campaign. As far as posting on your board, that wasn't me.Quote:
Originally posted by The Hook:
The statements made here by Mark Pusey, or Groovemeister represent a very misguided and misinformed individual, who has recently begun a campaign to discredit Pearl in any way he can.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Show me where. Just, show me where. Nowhere else on this planet have I ever spread "false controversy and lies". What other thread on the matter?Quote:
Originally posted by The Hook:
Mark has demostrated his love for false controversy and lies throughout this and other threads on the matter.
I am a positive member of this board, as my friends here will attest. I try to always look for the best in videos and clips people put up, and try my hardest to ofer good advice to pals who need it. In fact got flack recently for being too positive!!!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Being a moderator or whatever you are, I suggest you check the IP address of the poster over at your forum (and I use the term loosley) before you start throwing personal accusations at me. I haven't posted on that forum for as long as I can remember. You have the power to check that, so check it.Quote:
Originally posted by The Hook:
Oddly enough, another very similar set of comments where left on the Pearl forum by a new member at about the samee time these comments were made, full of heresay and conjecture themselves. Perhaps it was someone else from thsi board or Mark himself.
I'm glad Mark isn't a journalist folks, all sorts of things would be true in that case...
Oh, and by the way, I write for Modern Drummer, Drummer Magazine UK, and mikedolbear.com, so in that respect, I am a journalist of sorts. Sorry again.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heracio is a long time hero of mine and I'll be touring alongside him for about a week. I look forward to chatting to him.Quote:
Originally posted by The Hook:
Mark I invite you to discuss this topic with Horacio, as that your website says you will be touring with him soon, I'm sure he can set you straight about a number of things.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't know if you've even read previous posts here but I have given sources, even how to get in contact with George at Premier himself. You are free to ask anyone you want!!!Quote:
Originally posted by The Hook:
I also invite you to give us these sources you claim to have.
If you can pull something out that gives this information a glimmer of hope at being true or relevant, I'll retract these remarks.....I'm thinking you can't, because they don't exist, except perhaps in your own mind, for reasons of your own.
The only apology I'll make is about Gregg moving. I can't think why I put his name down, that was a genuine mistake. Having said that, how do you account for the other 12 endorsers leaving at the same time???
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Again, let's not make it personal buddy. As it so happens I have two degrees, so let's drop that one there... (By the way, I'd check your own spellings before you bring up the whole 'schooling' debacle...)Quote:
Originally posted by The Hook:
...did you attend any form of proper schooling?
Look, my intention was not to cause such a ruckus, I even made it explicitly clear that I didn't want to get into it when I first posted!! Far from trying to paint Pearl as a racist company, (I even went as far to say I like their drums!) I simply gave my reason for not playing their drums. That's my own personal option.
There really is no need to bring your friends from your 'playground' to ours to help your plight. Especially when they display inappropriate behaviour and offend my friends from this board when they do it.
Oh, and when did I ever say Smitty left because of George being fired? "Never" is the answer to that bull...
I'd really rather just drop this now. You carry on with your rubbish if you like, but I'd rather forget it. I know what my friends have told me to be the truth. Short of dragging them on to a computer and MAKING THEM POST, I don't know what else to do, so I'll leave it. If you want a smear campaign or a mass debate, do it on your own and please leave this forum.
MP
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ April 20, 2005 07:32 AM: Message edited by: Groovemeister ]</font>
Well, I think I'd go another round with you over what was said, but you have your mind made up, and I can't change that. For some stupid reason yesterday, I thought I could. I don't know how my comments were going to accomplish that. Obviously when you see something you know is false, you try to debunk it, however the internet is a rather unforgiving medium to attain such lofty goals. I have a personal investement in Pearl as a company, I work here, I know all these people, I know what went down and why. Much of which will never see the light of day, professionals keep that stuff under their hats, as they have done in this instance. The true details vary from what was said here extensively, just know that....for whatever its worth.
You know, I came off wrong, I came at you wrong.....could have been something I ate, or maybe I'm just an ass...in this instance I'm not sure.
So I guess we'll put this to rest as you suggested. I need a vacation. If nothing else I guess the whole thing made for some interesting reading.
Best wishes,
Hook
Oh and for the record, not trying to be argumentative, I suggested to no one that they come over here and post. Tabla man is a member of many drum forums, including ours.
That's right, I came over here of my own volition, as I said, I never even knew this place existed until this controversy popped up on the Pearl forums.
Groovemeister, you have a real credibility problem:
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You were the one that mentioned Greg Bissonette, and I pretty much proved that part of your story false.Quote:
When people found out, they left Pearl in spades - mostly UK guys. Among the guys that left at the same times were Ian Thomas, Mark Richardson, Mark Mondesir, Steve White, Steve Barney, Chris Bailey, Chris Sharrock, Oscar Harrison, Keith LeBlanc, Gregg Bissonette, John "JR" Robinson... The list goes on...
You keep saying it's a "black/white" thing. PEARL IS A JAPANESE COMPANY!!!! By definition it couldn't be a black/white thing.
I happen to know somebody in the UK, who I know is involved in the industry there. He's a sound engineer and a drummer and plays Pearl drums. I'm going to check with him to see if your story holds, because I think you're lying.
This reminds me of a contraversy that happened in baseball recently where an announcer for the ST. Louis cardinals, Wayne Hagin, was on a ESPN syndicated sports talk show, and in defending Mark McGuire on the whole steroid issue, he accused Todd Helton of the Colorado Rockies of having used steroids. If you know anything about Todd Helton, it's obvious he doesn't use steriods.
Hagin was just trying to name drop and make himself look important, by outing a guy from an organization he used to work for. Later Hagin back tracked his story and weaseled his way out of facing any serious consequences, even though he caused harm to an innocent party. Helton is taking legal action against Hagin for his slander.
You are doing the exact same thing. You're trying to defame a company that you really know nothing about. You're nothing but a nobody, who has to get their 15 minutes of fame off a website, that's really pathetic. You thought, you'd be able to say this stuff without it getting back to Pearl. Well it did and now you're going to look like an idiot when you get nailed for bringing this stuff up.
JoesMechanic,
I got your email and I apologize for the confusion. I now see that you were only quoting groovemeister on the Pearl boards, and weren't saying this stuff yourself.
Again previous to yesterday, I never knew this site existed, and I assumed you and groovemeister were the same person.
As far as DC is concerned, I can only say in my experience, I haven't had a problem with him, and he's been super nice to me. I've been to a number of clinics where there was some idiot in the audience asking dumb questions and many of these clinicians, put up with more than I would.
I specifically remember going to a Anton Fig clinic a couple of years ago, where a guy in the audience asked him why he played a Tama kit on the Letterman show, Fig said politely, "no it's a Yamaha kit." The guy in the audience accused Anton of lying. Pretty nice huh? Anton just ignored him and went on, very professional. I would have told the guy to shut up.
Regarding what Smitty said about Weckl. I never disputed that part of your story, because I think Smitty is a purest. It's well known that while Max Roach and Buddy Rich were good friends, Buddy hated be-bop jazz and Max hated Big Band jazz. There's always been an argument of what "real jazz" is. Is real jazz Charlie Parker of Benny Goodman? Miles Davis or Maynard Ferguson?
Anyway I apologize for the confusion, and you might want to state something on the Pearl forums, because I think others had that same confusion. Because you didn't quote the information that came from Groovemeister.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh yea? Why's he gonna look like an idiot? It's just the foooking internet, plus groovemeister doesn't care about pearl drums. Neither do I. You think he cares what you have to say? You think he cares that you don't believe him? He wasn't trying to get 15 minutes of fame, he was telling it the way he knows it.Quote:
Originally posted by Tabla_Man:
You're trying to defame a company that you really know nothing about. You're nothing but a nobody, who has to get their 15 minutes of fame off a website, that's really pathetic. You thought, you'd be able to say this stuff without it getting back to Pearl. Well it did and now you're going to look like an idiot when you get nailed for bringing this stuff up.
You think it's impossible that dennis chambers could be rude to people at his clinics, so apparently everyone is also lying about that simply for 15 minutes of fame, and you don't believe it's possible that someone could get sacked for racism. Do you actually live in the real world? He's not a nobody either, he's doing very well on TV and radio amongst other things as a professional player so stick that in your tabla and smoke it.
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ April 20, 2005 04:09 PM: Message edited by: Rudy_Ment ]</font>
Working in the drumbusiness ( in Denmark, Europe ) I find it odd that I haven't heard of this. That however, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
It's just that usually even the smallest rediculous rumors -within the business- make their way around the world in a matter of 2 days tops!! Still, who am I to say it didn't happen. I don't know, and most of you other guys don't either!
Believe if you will-do not if you don't!!
(Gee I'm a wize guy huh?)